Lions World IRS Training

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Post 1 by Shadow_Cat (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Monday, 13-Aug-2012 9:50:00

Hi, all. I know this topic has been posted on the boards before. I found it, but it's well over a year old, and cannot be posted to anymore. That, and I know we have people who probably weren't on the Zone at the time that old topic was posted. So here goes.

I am considering attending the IRS training program offered by Lions World in Arkansas. I have talked to the people at Lions World, and they have been friendly and helpful, but of course they want to promote their own program. However, I'd like to hear from anyone who has either gone through it themselves, or knows someone who has. What were your experiences while going through the program, and with your job afterward? Did you get your first choice in cities to work, or not? Does anyone know what salary someone coming out of this program makes?

I will admit I'm considering this out of desperation. I'm 32, and am unemployed, have been since I was laid off from my last job two years ago. A new job does not seem to be forthcoming, and I am extremely tired of being unemployed. This type of work is not my first choice in vocations, that's for sure, but I need the income, and I need something on my resume. I hate having to go through a program made especially for the blind, but it seems it might be my best shot. Any info about this program would be appreciated.

Post 2 by forereel (Just posting.) on Monday, 13-Aug-2012 14:21:08

I know nothing about this program, but I have applied for the IRS before.
The job is parttime and tempary. Okay, so that isn't a big deal if you don't have one at all right?
It is if you are on social security and this your plan is not setup so that this tempary income will affect it, than, when the job ends it takes a beat or so to get your total social security income flowing again.
Next, if you are able to learn, and have rehab behind you, you can simply apply, go to work, and get trained on the job. This program helps you learn, but does not mean you will work, and here's the reason why.
If you have any credit issues, legal problems, you will not be employed by the IRS. Your credit score matters, so if this is an issue it be smarter to get this handled before you do anything else.
You can learn the pay scale by looking on the IRS employment section, because it changes.
Last, the IRS may have available jobs, but are they in your city? You'll not want to relocate, work for 6 months, and struggle in your new location.
I suppose going through the program is worth while for something to do, but only if you keep a perspective on what your outcome will be.
The IRS, like all business that are giving us a chance, only have so many openings for the blind. No matter how many have the training there are not enough jobs for everyone.
Do this program for your self esteem, and to have something to do, but not because you expect a job after.

Post 3 by BigDogDaddy (Help me, I'm stuck to my chair!) on Tuesday, 14-Aug-2012 12:51:01

I have two friends who went through the program about 8 or 9 years ago. They were both hired in to the cleveland ohio office, and have been there ever since. They have received various promotions over the years, and are currently working at the top of the pay grade in there respective positions. While it is true one can apply and get hired in to a local office independently these positions are typically part time, and temporary. From what I understand the LWSB assists in full time placement, and the folks I've spoken with over the years, have both had good success in getting in to the office they choose, as well as staying there.

Post 4 by forereel (Just posting.) on Wednesday, 15-Aug-2012 20:24:13

9 or 10 years ago the program was new. Your friends are the exact thing I am talking about. Once the IRS has enough, and they stay, well.

Post 5 by UniqueOne (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Sunday, 19-Aug-2012 0:13:12

I did not apply for the IRS program, however I was considering going to LWSB for there massage therapy program.
I'm glad I didn't, cause a friend of mine's friend went for the massage therapy program and they shut it down right in the middle of it. The guy had to move back to his state and everything. It is like a college dorm setting..and i will say the massage therapy program was new..but to shut it down in the middle of the program not allowing the students to graduate? come on!
I've visited the lwsb campus so if you have any questions about it please feel free to private message me or ask here.
Good luck!

Post 6 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Thursday, 28-Feb-2013 22:38:46

OK, to set things straight, when you go into LWSB for the IRS training program, it is a full-time position. If you are accepted into the program, you are guaranteed a job.

Post 7 by forereel (Just posting.) on Thursday, 28-Feb-2013 23:04:04

If you are guaranteed a job why aren't their hundereds of blind workers working for the IRS?
They train lots of people, so every single person that finishes the course should be working right?

Post 8 by ProudAFL-CIOLaborUnionGirl (Account disabled) on Friday, 01-Mar-2013 8:28:57

Why would anyone ever want to work for the IRS?

Post 9 by Smiling Sunshine (I've now got the bronze prolific poster award! now going for the silver award!) on Friday, 01-Mar-2013 8:32:52

Oh you know, silly little things like rent, food, bills, responsibility, doing what ya gotta do to support yourself.
Actually, I'd rather eat cat crap than work for the IRS but hey, a job is a job.

Post 10 by ProudAFL-CIOLaborUnionGirl (Account disabled) on Friday, 01-Mar-2013 8:50:03

Yeah, me too for the cat crap thing. I would never do something for the rest of my life that made me miserable even if I was homeless. I've been homeless before and its not that bad better than doing something you hate just to have a job.

Post 11 by ProudAFL-CIOLaborUnionGirl (Account disabled) on Friday, 01-Mar-2013 8:59:40

Wage slavery at its best.

Post 12 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Friday, 01-Mar-2013 10:05:24

it isn't that bad? really? tell me that when you have several bills to pay, and food to keep on the table.

Post 13 by Runner229 (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Friday, 01-Mar-2013 10:57:24

Who said they were miserable with that job, anyway?

Post 14 by forereel (Just posting.) on Friday, 01-Mar-2013 11:50:23

Guess I'd be more miserable homeless than I would earning that green stuff at the end of the day. IRS TRC, just pay me, and after 5 I'll do something about my happiness, like have a great meal, drink a cold beer, lay in my soft bed in my place with the heat on even. Damn, doesn't sound to bad over homelessness at all.

Post 15 by LeoGuardian (You mean there is something outside of this room with my computer in it?) on Friday, 01-Mar-2013 12:16:53

Some people are just young and idealistic, that is all. Many of us are spending many hours doing things we'd rather not, or don't really believe in for a number of reasons,because we have responsibilities. Especially guys: even in a modern world, guys are born to work, and work to die. It's not about choices for us, and really never has been, and I don't think ever will be. It's about holding down the fort and paying for everything.
So unless you have some dependents you need to be supporting, I'd say you have no call to judge anyone for working for the IRS, or any other outfit they or you may or may not believe it. It's all porn: you do it to get by, no principles, except to hold up your responsibilities. Especially when underage ones are involved.

Post 16 by TechnologyUser2012 (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Friday, 01-Mar-2013 13:02:23

Exactly Leo. And, I'd much much much rather have a job I didn't like so the rent and bills could be paid than no job and being homeless and starving in the streets. But that's just me.

Post 17 by Smiling Sunshine (I've now got the bronze prolific poster award! now going for the silver award!) on Friday, 01-Mar-2013 13:10:48

Thank you, Leo.

Post 18 by forereel (Just posting.) on Friday, 01-Mar-2013 18:24:12

I always wonder when a person makes a statement about they've prefer to be homeless if they've actually ever been?

Post 19 by LeoGuardian (You mean there is something outside of this room with my computer in it?) on Friday, 01-Mar-2013 18:30:01

Lol Wayne just tell 'em that couch surfing, aka mooching off the rest of us, don't count.

Post 20 by Runner229 (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Friday, 01-Mar-2013 21:13:07

This question goes out to Wayne, and any other person who thinks working at any job is better than being homeless, but I'm curious as to the responses. Is there any job, at all, that you would absolutely refuse to do, even if it meant you would be homeless?
It's hard for me to guage personally, because I have family to fall back on. However I realize that is not the case for everyone. And fortunately, my family, (most of them anyway), would not do too much for me, just keep me afloat and help when need be. I have some thinking to do.

Post 21 by ProudAFL-CIOLaborUnionGirl (Account disabled) on Friday, 01-Mar-2013 21:17:08

Yes, I have been homeless twice in Fargo and Roseau, MN. And no it wasn't pleasant but I got back on my feet and learned a lot and now know what the homeless veterans I help go through, so I am glad it happened.

Post 22 by forereel (Just posting.) on Friday, 01-Mar-2013 21:54:31

Nope!
I also have family, but I'm not going to be homeless if there is money I can make it the job won't kill me.
If it is health harming maybe, but other then that nope.

Post 23 by forereel (Just posting.) on Friday, 01-Mar-2013 22:41:04

Let me define what I mean by homeless, so you understand my saide anyway.
Homeless is when you have to live in a shelter, or you are on the street and you sleep in a park or spend lots of time in these all night coffee shops that many major cities have.
Homeless is when you have the clothes on your back and maybe a change of clothes.
If you live with family, a friend, or a home of some kind and you eat daily and are not hungry, you are not homeless.
I have known homeless people and given them money or a meal, but I personally have never been homeless and have been fortunit to live in comfort.
I will work any type job, and have many times, I did not like to keep something to eat and a place to stay.
If the poster that says she was homeless meets all the things I said, and didn't have food, shelter, clotheing, and slept outside in warm weather, or in a shelter only at night, then she qualifies. But if she had money, could eat daily, take a shower everyday, she was not homeless at all.

Post 24 by ProudAFL-CIOLaborUnionGirl (Account disabled) on Friday, 01-Mar-2013 23:43:56

I have been in a shelter, hungry, and have been to food banks after the Fargo flood of 2008.

Post 25 by ProudAFL-CIOLaborUnionGirl (Account disabled) on Friday, 01-Mar-2013 23:45:00

The YWCA is nice if you need a shelter for women anyway.

Post 26 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Saturday, 02-Mar-2013 2:47:58

OK, here's what I have to say about working for the IRS. I'm going to Lions World in May with the hopes of being accepted into their program. To answer someone's question, no, hundreds of people don't go through the program because classes are pretty small, and they only have classes twice a year so....yeah. Please do your research. Thanks. As for living in the streets, my parents have always said that I'm welcome at home any time. However, they aren't saying that hoping I stay forever. It's them being my parents. However, I want to work, and I've been job hunting for about 2 years now, and I haven't gotten many callbacks.
Honestly, I'm not sure why anyone would scoff at a job that has decent pay, and no offense, but if you aren't getting paid, you're not working. I refuse to stoop to dramatics. I'm just thankful for an opportunity to get started. No one says I have to stay there forever, but I think I'll like it so I'm OK. Wage slavery at its best. Can we get any more dramatic? LOL I mean, I guess everyone who works is a slave then. I'd rather be a slave and have issues and bills and life struggles just like everyone else, Not to mention my independence, than to be sitting at home in a small town and being free to do whatever I want. I know this being an adult thing isn't going to be easy, but it's what I've been working toward ever since I popped out 25 years ago so I may as well get started. Slave....LOL. I'm sorry, but good God!!

Post 27 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Saturday, 02-Mar-2013 3:04:44

Plus the classes are either 4 or 5 months in length depending on which program you choose.

Post 28 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Saturday, 02-Mar-2013 3:09:13

Oh, and a lot of VR counselors are very reluctant to send clients out of state. They were in my state anyway. I had to email senators and everything to get approval. It was crazy, but I did it. I finally grew a backbone and took the bull by the horns.:)

Post 29 by ProudAFL-CIOLaborUnionGirl (Account disabled) on Saturday, 02-Mar-2013 8:39:58

Get ready for the budget cuts that just passed.

Post 30 by ProudAFL-CIOLaborUnionGirl (Account disabled) on Saturday, 02-Mar-2013 8:42:06

As for you not thinking people that don't get paid for a job they do as not working, you tell that to people in unpaid internships or in training or countless dedicated fire department and police volunteers I dare you.

Post 31 by forereel (Just posting.) on Saturday, 02-Mar-2013 9:02:44

A Fargo flood is not refusing a job and being homeless, that is a natural thing, but okay, you do qualify.
I personally agree with the poster of this board,. Again good luck.
I haven't researched the job, but I do know many go through the training. Even if you had 2 classes per year, and in these classes you have 10 people that is 20 jobs per year that have to be promised.
I can't see any company, not even the IRS being able to promise that kind of availability.
I truly think, however, that you are on the right path, and my hat is off to you for trying to do something.
I am not looking down on the program, I just think relisticly it be hard to promise that many jobs.

Post 32 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Saturday, 02-Mar-2013 11:02:05

Not if they're spaced out between states. This has been set up for years.

Post 33 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Saturday, 02-Mar-2013 11:09:36

As for budget cuts, every American is feeling the heat from those. Also, firemen and policemen are a different story. There we go with the dramatics AGAIN! I'm talking about the average Joe who works for free. Even those people have some other job on the side. Just saying. It comes back to having responsibilities and/or just plain wanting to work.
With the IRS program, just because you're accepted doesn't mean you're free. You have to pass tests and things like that.

Post 34 by ProudAFL-CIOLaborUnionGirl (Account disabled) on Saturday, 02-Mar-2013 13:08:41

I'm just curious, so what do the students do on the weekends?

Post 35 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Saturday, 02-Mar-2013 13:13:22

musician, why not take that elsewhere? the topic isn't about this entire facility's doings, but about a specific program. for once, I'm trying to help a topic not get steered in a completely nonrelated direction.

Post 36 by Runner229 (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Saturday, 02-Mar-2013 14:21:56

Lol. I'll tell ya, when you start a topic on these boards, anything can happen and it'll probably go in the direction that you wouldn't expect.

Post 37 by MDN1988 (the Zone BBS remains forever my home page) on Saturday, 02-Mar-2013 14:33:17

Hi,
I also looked into this program, but I could not do it due to being a single mother with no family to take care of my child while I am away. I live in North Carolina also, so I would have to try and get VR to support my going. Has anyone ever went through the IRS program as a day student not living on campus? Is there a way I could go there and live off campus, since I have a child and would have to be with her when I am not in classes? I know that other centers for the blind have day student programs where students living locally did not have to stay in the dorms, so I wonder if LWS in Arkansas has this also? If this was the case, I could work out child care for my daughter during the day while I am in class and then be able to bring her home with me after I am finished with classes for the day. I was very interested at one point, but did not attend due to this reason. Also, I wonder if the IRS covers your relocation costs if you do get the job after going through the Lions World program.

Post 38 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Saturday, 02-Mar-2013 15:47:49

I think VR can help up to a point with relocation, and I think, but don't take my word for it, that you can live off campus. You would have to call LWSB and ask them.
I'm not completely sure what students do on the weekends, but I think they get to do whatever. I know that sometimes they go do certain things, but I don't know when that is exactly.

Post 39 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Saturday, 02-Mar-2013 16:12:59

when I was there for a different program back in 2006, that was the case. we could do whatever, as long as we told the housing staff when we were leaving, and about how long we'd be gone.

Post 40 by LeoGuardian (You mean there is something outside of this room with my computer in it?) on Saturday, 02-Mar-2013 18:17:46

It just seems odd to have the dorms or barracks or whatever, be anything other than a place to crash, for adults. Meaning, why would one have to tell housing staff anything? If you're off duty, your time should be your own. A organization has to be pretty arrogant to assume otherwise when dealing with legal adults. The only exception to that rule is the Basic Training in the armed services, but in Basic they are never off duty. To my mind, that's pretty brazen to make demands of adults when they're off duty, demands that exceed those made to off-duty service personnel.

Post 41 by ProudAFL-CIOLaborUnionGirl (Account disabled) on Saturday, 02-Mar-2013 19:11:15

Those schools don't think of blind people as adults, they are not treated as equals and those people that run those places should get with the program and have some respect!

Post 42 by Runner229 (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Saturday, 02-Mar-2013 19:31:48

How the fuck do you know that, lady. Did you attend one? Are you drawing conclusions yet again because of one bad experience that you may have gone through, or that a friend or three has and you heard about? I wish some people would stop being so miserable and at least try to think more optomistically. And for the record, I don't give a damn if you ignore me. Do it, and keep me on that magnificent list of yours if you'd like.

Post 43 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Saturday, 02-Mar-2013 19:39:09

OMG! Leo, you had to get her going again didn't you? More dramatics!!!!!:( I choose right now to think of it as what I usually tell my parents. I don't always know specifically when I'll be back, but I want someone to know in case something happens and they can't reach me. I've dealt with this kind of thing before. I don't care for it, but it's nothing I can't overlook for a bit.

Post 44 by ProudAFL-CIOLaborUnionGirl (Account disabled) on Saturday, 02-Mar-2013 19:42:20

And yes I have been to one of these schools, not this particular one but its wrong to get in an adults business on what they do with their off time!

Post 45 by Runner229 (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Saturday, 02-Mar-2013 19:49:51

Look at it this way. You are an OVR counsellor, of which you are the one who is paying for the student to attend. As a training center/school you are required to give the counsellor updates on how their client is progressing. You come to find out that the student has not been attending consistently, and the center/school does not keep track of where the client is going or what he/she is doing. You see what I mean?
I'm not saying you would do that, but it is a liability issue for the center that they want to cover so that the people in OVR can't come after you and accuse the center of anything. This may be the case, but it's the closest conclusion I come to.

Post 46 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Saturday, 02-Mar-2013 19:56:20

I think you MIGHT be able to be general with what you say. You shouldn't have to give them a play by play of what you're doing, but say "I'm going out with Joe for pizza. We'll be back in a couple of hours." I get that we're adults, but they're responsible for making sure we're where we're supposed to be. Like I say, I choose to think of it as having a nosey parent for 6 months. If it gets my foot in the door and I get a job, I'll never have to tell anyone else where I'm going for the rest of my life so....I'm OK. Again, if something happened to me, and I couldn't be contacted, and no one knew where I was, do you have any idea how much trouble someone would be in?
Union girl, we totally get the fact that you won't be going to Lions World. We know. It's OK. Those of us who are choosing to go have our reasons, and you nor anyone else has the right to judge. We're all different, and that's a good thing.

Post 47 by ProudAFL-CIOLaborUnionGirl (Account disabled) on Saturday, 02-Mar-2013 19:58:10

That would be like me sending my union members to training and then keeping track of them to make sure they did it, um, no thank you. No slavery here. I think VR thinks they own their clients at times.

Post 48 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Saturday, 02-Mar-2013 20:00:24

Yes that is the case. Your home state is paying over 20000 for this program. They're not watching you like a hawk, but they want to make sure you do what you're supposed to do. I'd be more upset if I was paying myself and people wanted to know where I was going.

Post 49 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Saturday, 02-Mar-2013 20:03:44

If that is the case, you prove them wrong. I've had to do it, and if you've had VR pay for anything, don't be a snot. You've been a "slave" at some time or another yourself. More dramatics YET AGAIN!!!! Slavery.....LOL, no one owns you unless you let them.

Post 50 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Saturday, 02-Mar-2013 20:11:33

Yes they keep track of you because they've put lots of money in. It's like when you start a business. You put a lot in and then you do whatever it takes to make sure things get off the ground. I don't call that "Slavery." I call it "monitoring an investment." This is nothing new. I'll be expected to keep in contact with my counselor, but all I have to say is "Things are going fine." Also, not every counselor expects the same things. Some counselors may want more information. Mine will just want to know that I'm doing OK and/or if there's anything I need. I'm the first client she's sent to LWSB so I get it.
Also, I attended a blind school from 7-12th grade so I'm used to this kind of thing. I've played this game, and I graduated with honors and as valedictorian.

Post 51 by Runner229 (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Saturday, 02-Mar-2013 20:11:51

You have no clue, no matter how many times we tell you. No matter how we emphasize how benefitial things are, you are worse than my grandmother is and how set she is in her ways. There's obviously no point in explaining things to you because you refuse to listen and even consider the pros and cons. It's pitiful.

Post 52 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Saturday, 02-Mar-2013 20:15:40

It's her agenda. Look at her username! Never mind the fact that probably half the users on this site are either unemployed and/or in school of some kind and therefore don't care, she's waving the banner. All I'm saying is you have to start somewhere. To quote Harry Potter "It's not what someone is born but what they grow to be."

Post 53 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Saturday, 02-Mar-2013 20:16:58

I agree with leo here. given that those who attend training centers like these are adults, they shouldn't have to report to anyone where they're going, who they're going with, and how long they'll be gone. did I put up with it while I was there? sure. however, the lesson I took away from it was that it's unacceptable.

Post 54 by DevilishAnthony (Just go on and agree with me. You know you want to.) on Sunday, 03-Mar-2013 0:53:00

When I was there, I helped run the switchboard during the evenings and on weekends. People would leave and not say they were going out, so when they'd get a long distance phonecall, I'd have no idea they weren't around, so would try to page them. If they'd been courtius enough to sign out, this could have been avoided. There were some people there who had to take medicine, so housing would be looking for them, but they'd be gone and no one knew, until after they'd searched and searched. They don't give a shit where you go. They just ask to know that you are gone, and that you do intend to come back. I personally had no problem with that. There were people who would put their laundry in the machines, then decide to go get drunk. They'd be gone for hours, so other people had to take the clothes out of the machines. Of course, the drunk would get back, totally forgetting about the laundry until the next day, and then be absolutely furious that someone had the gall to move their clothes.

Post 55 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Sunday, 03-Mar-2013 1:25:59

Do you have a certain time that you have to be back?

Post 56 by DevilishAnthony (Just go on and agree with me. You know you want to.) on Sunday, 03-Mar-2013 1:31:50

LOL so, you ignore me until you want info that I might have? when I was there, back in 1992, they requested that you be back by 10 PM on week nights, since they wanted you to go to class the next day. Also, when it's late at night, there's no one sitting there watching the door, so it might be a little while before someone lets you in, and why should they? If people want to be treated like adults, there's a certain amount of responsibility as well.

Post 57 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Sunday, 03-Mar-2013 1:44:38

I understand that and I agree. I unignored you because you posted to this board and since this board interests me, I took you off.
I wasn't partial to who answered my question, but I didwant to see every post on this thread.

Post 58 by Blue Velvet (I've got the platinum golden silver bronze poster award.) on Sunday, 03-Mar-2013 1:50:41

I used to work for a rehab center. WE had mostly day students, but there was a dorm for out of town students. And, even though they were adults, the supervisors did want to know where they were going when they went out in the evenings and wanted to know about what time they would be back. In fact, there was a curfew. Part of this was because, after all, the night supervisors needed their sleep too and shouldn't have to get up at 2 or 3 in the morning to let people in. Part of the reason was also, as someone else said, the rehab center would havve been blamed by the family members of any students who had something happen to them while they were staying there. The rehab center was near a college campus and thus lots of bars. It wasn't the safest neighborhood in the city either. SO of course the night supervisors had to set rules about when people had to be back in.

Post 59 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Sunday, 03-Mar-2013 2:02:02

After rereading my last post, I want to apologize. I didn't mean to come across as harsh. What I was trying to say is since this board interests me, I want to read every post regardless of who posts. I also wasn't expecting you Anthony to answer my question necessarily, but I knew someone would eventually. I hope I've made myself more clear. Again, I apologize if my last post was harsh.

Post 60 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Sunday, 03-Mar-2013 9:34:48

I really wish that facilities like this would implement a better system, like, perhaps putting a card slot into or near the door, where people who attend could easily slide an ID. their card would then be recognized, and they'd be let inside. problem solved. that way, no one would have to be responsible for anyone but themselves, as is the case in the real world.

Post 61 by Smiling Sunshine (I've now got the bronze prolific poster award! now going for the silver award!) on Sunday, 03-Mar-2013 9:46:17

What Chelz is saying makes sense. When I was living in a college dorm, many moons ago, we had to sign in and out and had id cards to swipe to unlock the doors after certain hours. It's a simple safety thing. If for some crazy reason, they need to evacuate the building, they deserve to know who's in and out of it. They don't need to know where people are going or when they'll be back per say but letting someone know you're leaving is a simple curtasy.
It really doesn't seem worth getting all that bent out of shape over to me.

Post 62 by ProudAFL-CIOLaborUnionGirl (Account disabled) on Sunday, 03-Mar-2013 10:08:03

Exactly, they expect these people to go out and be adults after finishing, but this won't make it any better.

Post 63 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Sunday, 03-Mar-2013 11:48:17

I think post 60 is a fantastic idea that I think would work. When I was in college, not so long ago, we had that kind of technology.

Post 64 by DevilishAnthony (Just go on and agree with me. You know you want to.) on Sunday, 03-Mar-2013 12:20:57

That building is so run down that a new security system is probably about the last thing on their agenda. They used to have well over a hundred students at a time. Now it's something like 35 or 40. The plumming is all screwed up, roots growing through it and the likes. For all the money they have received, it looks like they never thought to keep up the building.

Post 65 by LeoGuardian (You mean there is something outside of this room with my computer in it?) on Sunday, 03-Mar-2013 12:42:43

sorry I started the fire there Faithful Angel. I see both: you owe the taxpayers an accounting of your on-duty time. By the way, so do I if called by the Coast Guard. But you and I both don't owe them anything for our off-duty time, aka when class is over or duties are done.
And yes, security card slots are what we use also, but then again, that isn't about being nosy: it's about knowing who it is that actually came or went, so that all nefarious activities (real not imagined or religious or idealistic), can be accounted for: like break-ins or stolen property / data, etc.
I think it's great you are making it happen: nothing I said was meant as a slight against you. Only a slight against those arrogant enough to think they've got to be more restrictive than the NSA or DHS. Sorry, they're just not that top secret.
And yeah, yu owe the taxpaers an accounting for your time in class. Out of class? Not so much. Unless they're going to classify themselves as a 24/7 Basic Training operation where you could be called up at 3 in the morning, they have no reason to know where you are at 3 in the morning. You just be there, ass in seat and ready to go, when class starts.
Speaking of taxpayers' money: who wants to pay for needless security measures our men and women in uniform aren't even leveraged to contend with when off duty? That's the part I find flat out arrogant, whether it's so-called rehab, or religion or whatever. It's just a punk tude all dressed up.
But you're obviously gonna succeed: willing to hold your nose, put your head down and run straight through the line to get the ball and put it through the goal posts. I'm sure the IRS will be glad to have you as an employee. There's a lot of hardworking men and women working government jobs. People usually look at system inefficiency and claim all the workers there must be incompetent. In truth, you've got profound competence where the system itself is shoddy and the working person is picking up the slack for it. Goes for a lot of multinational industry too.
Anyway, sorry I started something there.

Post 66 by ProudAFL-CIOLaborUnionGirl (Account disabled) on Sunday, 03-Mar-2013 13:38:14

Fellow service member you don't ever have to appologize for what you post if it is what you believe. If it upsets some, then oh the hell well.

Post 67 by Runner229 (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Sunday, 03-Mar-2013 14:19:45

Yeah, as long as it is something that goes along with the morals of the union, of course. Then, and only then, can you be referred to as a fellow service member.

Post 68 by ProudAFL-CIOLaborUnionGirl (Account disabled) on Sunday, 03-Mar-2013 14:37:33

Refering to my service in the Coast Guard

Post 69 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Sunday, 03-Mar-2013 15:45:45

It's all right Leo. I survived it, and I imagine everyone else did too. I was just apologizing for post 57 because after I reread it, it sounded rude which wasn't my intent.
If I remember correctly, they were working on the dorms last year when I visited or they had just finished them. It is definitely an old building though for sure.

Post 70 by ProudAFL-CIOLaborUnionGirl (Account disabled) on Sunday, 03-Mar-2013 16:08:54

Wow, they get thousands of dollars for each student from the state governments and they can't aford to fix or get new buildings? Pretty pathetic.

Post 71 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Sunday, 03-Mar-2013 16:16:43

Like I say, they were "FIXING" their dorms last year.

Post 72 by forereel (Just posting.) on Sunday, 03-Mar-2013 22:17:34

Well I agree with Leo and Chelsea. Even when I lived in a dorm I didn't say were I was going and when I'd be back. Wejust worked something out for after hours if we needed to get in.
It is a good policy to tell someone were you are going, even as an adult. I'm grown, pay my own bills, live alone, but I tell a friend or someone where I'm gone if I'm going to be gone for more then 2 3 days. No, I don't say if I'm going for a beer, or shopping, or whatever, but people know that if they can't get hold of me after a day or so to send the police checking.
In college someone is awake at any hour so it was easy. During hours we had someone at a desk watching who came and went.
I think they need a better system, and as to Anthony's post, if they got mad because their stuff was moved get glad. You aren't responsible, it is your fault.
Adults need to be treated as such. Even if the state is paying they pay upfront. Just because they pay doesn't mean you will be successful, so the risk has already been taken. If you mess up, don't attend classes, because you are out doing something else the next time you want services, the state has a right to say no.

Post 73 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Monday, 04-Mar-2013 0:01:18

Not only do they have the right to say no, they will because your case with VR will be closed. I just signed the agreement Friday.

Post 74 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Monday, 04-Mar-2013 0:05:09

I meant I just signed the agreement stating this on Friday. I don't think VR pays all that upfront because in the case of IRS training, there's a 30-day evaluation first, and if you pass that, you enter into the program. I think, but I might be wrong, that my counselor said she'd be paying monthly.

Post 75 by LeoGuardian (You mean there is something outside of this room with my computer in it?) on Monday, 04-Mar-2013 18:08:10

Have to agree with Wayne on if you're gone for a couple days or on a outdoors activity, need to tell someone where you'll be at and when you plan to get back, then contact them when you do get back. On the water it's called a float plan, on land it's called a buddy plan, but it's got to be crystal clear whatever it is. Otherwise rescuers can't find you.

Post 76 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Monday, 04-Mar-2013 18:54:57

I agree with that, too. I'm glad someone brought it up, cause it's something I didn't realize the importance of till I moved on my own. I'm all the better for it, though.

Post 77 by jessmonsilva (Taking over the boards, one topic at a time.) on Sunday, 10-Mar-2013 21:20:52

I was actually at lwsb but for a different program. If you do the IRS program it's the only one I recommend because it's the only one guaranteed to get you a job. As to the question why there's not hundreds of blind people in these classes, the IRS job has requirements that one must meet before going to be in the class and get the job, so not just any blind person can apply. Also, to the people asking about going out, I think it was actually a good idea that we had to let people know we were leaving, it's a liability issue if you think about it, but we didn't have to say where we were going when I was there, we just had to sign out and say we were leaving. As for the dorms I totally agree they should have fixed the dorms long ago, I do know some of the money they were getting was being embezzeled by the CEO at the time, I guess from what I hear they're under a new owner... so hopefully something gets fixed there.

Post 78 by ProudAFL-CIOLaborUnionGirl (Account disabled) on Sunday, 10-Mar-2013 21:36:13

Wow! I for sure wouldn't go to a school where the CEO was taking tuition funds and stuffing his pockets, wow!

Post 79 by jessmonsilva (Taking over the boards, one topic at a time.) on Sunday, 10-Mar-2013 21:43:09

yeah, I didn't know this was happening till after I had left the school, lol.

Post 80 by MDN1988 (the Zone BBS remains forever my home page) on Monday, 11-Mar-2013 22:25:07

Hi,
I didn't know about that either.
Also, as far as requirements, I was told that they changed the program to require that a person have at least a bachelors degree. That is another reason I didn't go, because I am still working toward my degree, so I didn't meet the requirements.

Post 81 by LaneKeys (Resident Grungehead) on Wednesday, 13-Mar-2013 15:18:25

Hey Dawn, don't know if you're still keeping up with this one, but I've worked there about 3 1/2 years now. Not much to tell really. Yes, it has its share of boring days, and its irritations, but you'll get that with just about any job. Thing is, rare is the day I would actually call it difficult, and let's face it, when the pay is good and steady, that's not a bad deal. As for the training, bit of an annoyance, I'll admit that, but you'll go for one month's evaluation, you'll do your interview, and you'll know at that point whether or not you've been accepted. If so, you'll take your classes, takes 5/6 months depending on what program you choose, and if you pass you're garanteed the job. I'd hesitate to talk about the pay, because it'll depend on where you end up going, but to give you an idea, about 4 years ago in Florida, you'd have started out at about $31,000.
P.S.: No, I'm not trying to recruit anyone. Just sharing my overall experience if it helps.

Post 82 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Wednesday, 13-Mar-2013 16:35:27

Thank you poster 81.:)

Post 83 by Shadow_Cat (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Wednesday, 13-Mar-2013 17:29:41

Thanks LaneKeys. Yes, I have been keeping up with this, but since nothing much useful in my opinion had been posted, I hadn't responded to any of it. Thank you for your post. I didn't take it that you were trying to recruit, just giving your experiences, which I appreciate. If you see this, I do have another question. I'm hearing conflicting reports on when you find out which city you'll go to. Some say it is right after that 30 day evaluation, when you know if you're accepted into the program. If so, they tell you the city at that time. Others have said you don't know the city until much later in the program. Which is it?

To those who have talked about the condition of the building, that is something I've been hearing of consistently too. I had asked similar questions around other places, and one thing I've been told repeatedly is that the condition of the building, the food, and maintenance is absolutely deplorable.

Post 84 by forereel (Just posting.) on Wednesday, 13-Mar-2013 17:57:58

I'd say if I was absolute going to get a job providing I passed I don't guess I'd care about the food or building conditions at all. That is temp.
For us to work it be worth it to put up with that. It wont kill you so.
Now, to what city, and also how long the job would last after I received it might worry me.

Post 85 by jessmonsilva (Taking over the boards, one topic at a time.) on Wednesday, 13-Mar-2013 18:04:00

the IRS trainees are given choices if they have city choices and they try their best to put the applicants in the city of their choice. Otherwise, then the city is pretty much selected for you or you can select he city from a list.

Post 86 by Shadow_Cat (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Wednesday, 13-Mar-2013 20:41:53

Right, I know about the trainees getting to pick their top three cities. I'm wondering at what point in the process you find out which of those you're going to, or if they're selecting one for you.

Post 87 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Wednesday, 13-Mar-2013 23:58:02

My impression when I visited was you found out where you were going to go after you passed your interview and had been accepted into the program. I've actually eaten at Lions World, and it wasn't that bad. I've had worse. Just remember, it's a state building so you get state food. It was the same thing with the TN School For The Blind when I attended.

Post 88 by LaneKeys (Resident Grungehead) on Thursday, 14-Mar-2013 18:31:45

I found out directly after they interviewed me. After they conference for a few to decide whether they'll take you, you'll know where you're going from the three cities you picked, so in short you get that whole 5/6 months to prepare for it. You're right about the building/food/living conditions, it sucks, for lack of a better word. I didn't mind it too much, knowing I had a steady job waiting on me. Forereel, the job would last as long as you're successful/want it to last--this is a permanent position.

Post 89 by DevilishAnthony (Just go on and agree with me. You know you want to.) on Thursday, 14-Mar-2013 19:05:26

How well did you do at sewing on buttons and ironing your clothes? LOL.

Post 90 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Thursday, 14-Mar-2013 19:19:36

I have a question. When do you actually start working? If I'm accepted into the program, my training will end around Thanksgiving. I'm just curious as to if there will be a break. Maybe it's a silly question, but it's out there now.:)

Post 91 by LaneKeys (Resident Grungehead) on Thursday, 14-Mar-2013 20:26:14

Well Anthony, I did well enough to pass, and by that I mean not. They figured out I'm a batchelor, no way am I sewing/ironing. Heh. Faithful, you'll have to get a bit of a break to get moved and that, but they usually don't want you to wait any longer than say, two weeks. That all depends on the way the pay periods fall at the time though. I remember when I graduated it was around August 28, and by September 14 I was working.

Post 92 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Thursday, 14-Mar-2013 20:30:20

That makes sense. I didn't know how all that worked. However, I wasn't expecting to have a six-week break between Thanksgiving and Christmas. That would be crazy! I was just curious!:) Thanks for your help.

Post 93 by GreenTurtle (Music is life. Love. Vitality.) on Thursday, 14-Mar-2013 22:52:53

But if you're in training, when do you find the time to go apartment hunting or exploring the city you're potentially going to live in? If you only have 2 weeks after your training ends to find a place to live, how is that even possible?

Post 94 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Thursday, 14-Mar-2013 23:40:04

I had a friend who just did that not too long ago. It can be done.

Post 95 by LaneKeys (Resident Grungehead) on Friday, 15-Mar-2013 6:19:22

No problem, glad to help. In most cases if they can, they'll put you in touch with someone else in that city to help you. One guy actually took a couple of days off from class near the end of our training to go hunting for his.

Post 96 by LeoGuardian (You mean there is something outside of this room with my computer in it?) on Friday, 15-Mar-2013 18:23:35

Two weeks you can get it done if you must, especially without kids. Once I moved across country, and when I went over there for the interview, picked us out an apartment in the same time frame: a couple of days.
Just put yourself up somewhere where you can live with it till you figure out a purchase situation or whatever you are going to want.

Post 97 by infinite (Generic Zoner) on Wednesday, 25-Dec-2013 13:18:30

Hi all,
I{m considering this program and was wondering about the evaluation process.

Post 98 by starfly (99956) on Wednesday, 22-Jan-2014 17:55:04

I know I did not read all of this board but I did go to LWSB. Yes, they ask if your going out but not where your going. Lord knows if they did the crap would hit the fan with me. smile, That was my whild child days but back to topic. Hchelcy, you whent to LWSB in 2006? Really!, I was there at that time lol. Well by then I was actually busting my tell trying to get my microsoft office certification done. Look, the food was crap, the ours where long but because of it I now have a job. He k some of you complain about the aiRS jobs but I am doing shipping, processing the orders via UPSand taking it to the dock. Oh, teaching as well for $10 an hour no raise in sight. You know what, my T-Mobile bill is paid, tv paid wife happy that is all that counts. So keep the homeless claim crap, its not fun working hungry, caring around a laptop with you every where you go because if you leave it in a locker its crack or weed money for some other person. Lets not for get you must arrive on time via city bus to eat and clean your cot off because someone else slepped in your bed. I might be a slave worker in some peoples eyes but I have a wife who is happy,. a happy fed cat and a 40 inch tv. Oh a nexus5 that kicks but any day of the time, so say what you wonnt, I refused to be a scrub!!.

Post 99 by LeoGuardian (You mean there is something outside of this room with my computer in it?) on Wednesday, 22-Jan-2014 18:05:46

Good for you, I heard that. You take what you gotta take and do what you gotta do to stay employed.

Post 100 by chelslicious (like it or not, I'm gonna say what I mean. all the time.) on Wednesday, 22-Jan-2014 19:56:09

yes, Dan, I was there in 2006. I don't think we met, though, which I find weird, since LWSB seemed like such a small circle of people. lol.

Post 101 by starfly (99956) on Friday, 24-Jan-2014 13:44:36

I probly was down in the basement a lot at night if I was not hitting the strip club "paper moon or press box" at that time. My glad those days are over lol!!.

Post 102 by starfly (99956) on Friday, 24-Jan-2014 13:50:09

Back on topic, I was not tuting my horn with the post that I post two post above this but like lio said, you got to do what needs to be done to pay bills. Guys come on, how do you expect a lady to date you let along stay with you if your not ready to except man hood and step up to the job plate. One thing your trying to find a job, its another you choose to be a scrub.

Post 103 by LeoGuardian (You mean there is something outside of this room with my computer in it?) on Friday, 24-Jan-2014 13:58:22

I've never seen Leo written with an i instead of an e until this site, where several have done that. Is that the Italian spelling for Leo? Interesting.